Comments on: the business of church http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/ The Perspective Of A "Normal" Christian on "Life" Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:16:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: lovewillbringustogether http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-824 lovewillbringustogether Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:29:20 +0000 http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-824 A Big thing that concerns me is thet Humans have created an entity - and it is not in His or our image. The Corporation or corporate body. The laws that control it's development are not the same as those that determine our own development. Churches that adopt a 'corporate' nature are instantly faced with a problem; How are they to be led by Faith and not by human sight (following trends or Board of Dierctor's committee) and remain 'competitive' and growing in a business based world? How do they lead through Faith in a business environment that strongly follows the physical earthly 'body'. It may be possible but there are now a whole new range of ways we (Church leaders) can fall away from His Teachings as Scripture does not seem to consider any church structure other than the one of the Levites that was all but destroyed in 70 AD, such that we have no real Scriptural guidleines to know when the corporation is staying true to His Law, as opposed to Corporate law.? <B A Big thing that concerns me is thet Humans have created an entity – and it is not in His or our image.

The Corporation or corporate body. The laws that control it’s development are not the same as those that determine our own development.

Churches that adopt a ‘corporate’ nature are instantly faced with a problem; How are they to be led by Faith and not by human sight (following trends or Board of Dierctor’s committee) and remain ‘competitive’ and growing in a business based world? How do they lead through Faith in a business environment that strongly follows the physical earthly ‘body’.

It may be possible but there are now a whole new range of ways we (Church leaders) can fall away from His Teachings as Scripture does not seem to consider any church structure other than the one of the Levites that was all but destroyed in 70 AD, such that we have no real Scriptural guidleines to know when the corporation is staying true to His Law, as opposed to Corporate law.?

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]]> By: Joy Renée http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-823 Joy Renée Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:35:10 +0000 http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-823 i think i'd agree with Love at least in the sense that i don't appreciate church's being founded on business type of principles. i do, however, think that as far as tithes, offerings, pastoral reimbursements, and other financial aspects of the church are concerned, it is very important to model it after the workings of a business. i believe it is the wisest thing. but as far as everything else...i understand the things surrounding our culture. and i am completely about always moving forward. but i think our goal always should be to model the church after the original church, rather than modeling it after the latest business trends. it's one thing to be 'applicable to this generation' and it's another to forget that God has already squared out an awesome 'business' plan for the church. i think i’d agree with Love at least in the sense that i don’t appreciate church’s being founded on business type of principles.

i do, however, think that as far as tithes, offerings, pastoral reimbursements, and other financial aspects of the church are concerned, it is very important to model it after the workings of a business. i believe it is the wisest thing.

but as far as everything else…i understand the things surrounding our culture. and i am completely about always moving forward. but i think our goal always should be to model the church after the original church, rather than modeling it after the latest business trends. it’s one thing to be ‘applicable to this generation’ and it’s another to forget that God has already squared out an awesome ‘business’ plan for the church.

]]> By: moweezle http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-822 moweezle Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:20 +0000 http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-822 It absolutely is! For all the reason you gave above, and probably more too. My home church is on twitter, fb, podcasts, webcasts, itunes. etc. We live in a media-filled society. As Paul said...to the Jews, I became a Jew.....etc. Jesus meets us where we are at, so too does the church. Needless to say, this is where we are at: On the internet. It absolutely is! For all the reason you gave above, and probably more too. My home church is on twitter, fb, podcasts, webcasts, itunes. etc. We live in a media-filled society. As Paul said…to the Jews, I became a Jew…..etc. Jesus meets us where we are at, so too does the church. Needless to say, this is where we are at: On the internet.

]]> By: lovewillbringustogether http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-821 lovewillbringustogether Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:08:13 +0000 http://movingthroughlife.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-business-of-church/#comment-821 My personal opinion is that i have a strong aversion to formulating a church around a 'business' model or base, for two reasons: Firstly i don't think that was how the 'Founder/leader' of the Church chose to act and secondly because i am reasonably sure than any church that feels compelled to operate as a business will be forced to make compromises between the spiritual and the 'physical', or ways of the flesh. My understanding of 'church' is that it adapts and takes on various forms - all with a 'common' objective. (bringing people to Christ as 'the Light of the World') Those forms vary from someone like me at one end who tries hard to be a follower of The Word and 'does' church (although i vehemently hate that phrasing) ;-) with those i meet daily in life like yourself and like my Atheist (his term not mine) friend Ed, people from all walks of life, to, at the other end, people/organisations like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell, or the Pope who must have some sort of business structure to support them in 'their' church administration (not necessarily the same as 'mine') :-) Interesting term 'Ad-ministration' - shared by both the church, the government and the commercial sectors. Is there a difference between administration and your use of the term 'business'? i guess most churches and multi-person groups all need some AD-Ministration where Jesus just seemed to need and give Mini-stration. Why do we humans always try to ad things to a simple message so as to make or 'do' it 'better? :-) <B My personal opinion is that i have a strong aversion to formulating a church around a ‘business’ model or base, for two reasons: Firstly i don’t think that was how the ‘Founder/leader’ of the Church chose to act and secondly because i am reasonably sure than any church that feels compelled to operate as a business will be forced to make compromises between the spiritual and the ‘physical’, or ways of the flesh.

My understanding of ‘church’ is that it adapts and takes on various forms – all with a ‘common’ objective. (bringing people to Christ as ‘the Light of the World’)

Those forms vary from someone like me at one end who tries hard to be a follower of The Word and ‘does’ church (although i vehemently hate that phrasing) ;-) with those i meet daily in life like yourself and like my Atheist (his term not mine) friend Ed, people from all walks of life, to, at the other end, people/organisations like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell, or the Pope who must have some sort of business structure to support them in ‘their’ church administration (not necessarily the same as ‘mine’) :-)

Interesting term ‘Ad-ministration’ – shared by both the church, the government and the commercial sectors. Is there a difference between administration and your use of the term ‘business’?

i guess most churches and multi-person groups all need some AD-Ministration where Jesus just seemed to need and give Mini-stration.

Why do we humans always try to ad things to a simple message so as to make or ‘do’ it ‘better? :-)

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